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COMPARING MARINE EPOXY RESIN

- WHAT TO LOOK FOR -

OURS AND THEIRS

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Goto the Marine Resin Page in our Marine Catalog - CLICK HERE
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All epoxies are not the same. Look for non blushing epoxies - even if they cost a few bucks more. With a blushing epoxy (most of the epoxies sold are blushing epoxies) - you might always wonder if you have a good bond between coats and why you're paint isn't sticking. Plus you have to wash the surface between coats to remove the visible or invisible blush. If the epoxy manufacturers really cared about your needs, they would only sell you non-blushing epoxies. (speaking in general terms - there are always exceptions). More about amine blush -
CLICK HERE.


Also, cycloaliphatic curing agent based epoxies are probably more durable then straight amine curing agent based epoxies. Even these high end epoxies can be found for in the $30's per gallon. Search the web for cycloaliphatic epoxies and you will find all sorts of pages on electrical insulators and how cycloaliphatic epoxy insulators are replacing ceramic insulators because the cyclo epoxies are durable enough for years and years of exposure on the top of telephone poles. The electrical insulator industry doesn't even consider 'regular' epoxy insulators.... More about cycloaliphatics -
CLICK HERE.


Nonyl phenol is a non solvent additive that can be used added to either Part A or Part B. It does have some useful properties, but is often more widely used to 'water down' the epoxy, making it much cheaper to manufacturer and giving the vendor much higher profits. More about Nonyl Phenol - CLICK HERE.


FORMALDEHYDE - one of the major epoxy vendors uses
formaldehyde in their curing agents! Check the MSDS of your vendor's epoxy for this chemical. (formaldehyde in competitor's curing agent - click here)


Want to know more? Visit our Chemistry of Epoxies Page -
CLICK HERE


Some epoxies are non-hazmat to ship (again very few) - big thing here is that the non hazmat curing agents generally have a more gentle exotherm and slower more uniform curing - (doesn't get super hot, melt containers and turn hard in the blink of an eye). Note that the hazmat epoxies must be shipping by ground, not air, but generally no additional cost. Non-hazmat curing agents tend to be amber colored, hazmat curing agents can be amber or clear. More on Hazmat shipping - CLICK HERE


Hazmat or not - the ones with a more gentle exotherm always seemed better to work with - no worry of 'bubbling up or melting' the areas you are working on. More on exotherm heat release -
CLICK HERE

The 'serious' marine epoxies are formulated using the raw resins manufactured by the giant chemical companies. Many (some?) low cost epoxy vendors merely repackage these raw bulk resins. Not a good thing! Learn more - CLICK HERE


Finally, mix ratios as close to 1:1 or 2:1 are better as they tolerate slight errors in the mix ratio better. Given an error in a 5:1 mix ratio and you can suddenly be mixing it at 4:1 and not knowing it. The result might not be good. More about mix ratio errors -
CLICK HERE


And what about temperature? Our Basic No Blush epoxy comes with regular, slow (summer), or fast (winter) curing agents.



A favorite 'trick' of mine is to email a question to a vendor and see if, or how long, it takes them to reply. Especially over a weekend or holiday. Actually, it is my experience that most email product questions are ignored. Email replies tell you lots about the personality of the company you are considering doing business with. The good ones reply quickly so you don't lose much time in placing your order.


From plywood on left to kayak on rignt!

Building TOTO - a plywood Stitch and Glue Kayak build by the owner of Progressive Epoxy Polymers using Basic No Blush marine epoxy - CLICK HERE


BASIC NO BLUSH™ Marine Epoxy - Selected for the construction of BIG BLUE, the 14 person vessel seeking the Blue Riband Trophy in The Transatlantic World Record Rowing Expedition 2010. See www.rocexpedition.com

BASIC NO BLUSH™ Marine Epoxy - Selected by JEM Watercraft (
www.jemwatercraft.com) for the construction of their case study/prototype, construction documented, "Sit On Top" canoe project (2009)

BASIC NO BLUSH™ Marine Epoxy - The Professional's Choice when Price, Quality, Reputation, and Performance matter


Proudly listed on the WoodenBoat (tm) marketplace directory - Wooden Boat / Coatings


Personal preferences:

1) Viscosity (thickness). Our Low V epoxy and our Bio Clear 810 (cycloaliphatic - low yellowing) epoxy are both extra thin and watery - often used for sealing, diluted with solvent and used as a pentrating epoxy (we also have a thin sealing epoxy - ESP 155), or mixed with our copper powder to create a copper-rich coating. Our Basic No Blush and Premium No Blush (another cycloaliphatic based epoxy) are excellent medium viscosity epoxies - my favorites for general purpose laminating, repairing etc.

2) Brittleness. Some epoxies are more brittle than others. Test my making a block or cube of your epoxy and squeezing in a vise or hitting with a hammer. Our old Basic No Blush™ was quite brittle, our new Basic No Blush™ is not, neither is our Premium No Blush™.



Why don't our competitors, large or small, make this kind of technical information available? Perhaps this kind of information is known only to their chemists, or perhaps they don't really want educated customers! I don't know, but I believe in sharing all information and hoping that information is a good starting point in getting you to purchase our products and TO consider Progressive Epoxy Polymers as more than just a vendor seeming an easy sale.

Health Issues

Some people develop a serious skin rash etc. after working with epoxies (skin contact) over a period of years. It has ended more than one 'epoxy career'. It seems to vary slightly from epoxy to epoxy, but there is probably no escape if you develop this sensitivity. Factors that may affect this issue include: formaldehyde in the formulation, nonyl phenol in the formulation, blushing epoxies (because you have to physically 'clean' the not fully cured epoxy). Our Premium No Blush™ epoxy is formaldehyde free, non blushing, nonyl free, and non hazmat to ship!



And now a few words about epoxy prices: CLICK HERE

Everyone Pays Distributor Prices for our Basic No Blush (tm) Epoxy

First the basics: Four things you need to know about marine epoxies


1) A handful of the giant chemical companies make epoxy resins and curing agents. The major marine epoxy companies - WEST, MAS, SYSTEM THREE, PROGRESSIVE EPOXY (that's us!) purchase these raw materials and then formulate/blend/modify them into their marine epoxy products. The small, discount epoxy sellers buy the bulk raw chemicals from the giant chemical companies and decant them into small units for resale. They do not formulate or modify/blend the raw chemicals. They simply repackage the 'raw' resins.

2) The 'standard' epoxies will 'blush' produce a waxy surface film during curing. All the vendors offer better, more expensive, non blushing marine epoxies. Progressive Epoxy (that's us) sells only non blushing marine epoxy (Basic No Blush ™ and Premium No Blush™ , our nonhazmat to ship version).

3) Most epoxies are sold through agents, resellers and distributors. Distributors usually get the epoxy at 50% (40%-60%) off the list price. They double the price and sell it to end users like you. So most epoxies are sold by the manufacturers at 'half price' or 'distributor pricing' to distributors who mark it up and resell it. PROGRESSIVE EPOXY POLYMERS does not use distributors or resellers. You can only get Basic No Blush epoxy directly from us. Compare and you will find our prices are 50% less than the end user prices our competitors list. Our epoxy is equal or better in quality - our prices are 'distributor prices' for everyone. If we used distributors we would need to vastly increase our prices to our customers to match the 100% markup added by distributors. Call it 'distributor pricing for everyone' or ' half price' epoxy - whatever floats your boat!


4) INDUSTRY PRICING - MAJOR MARINE EPOXY FOMULATORS/MANUFACTURERS (data collected 7/19/2010)

MAS EPOXY (their Flag Non Blushing Epoxy (1.5 gal unit - approx. $178.98) http://www.masepoxies.com/users/0142C6E0-CF1D-CEE2-59ED58C41CE094DA/library/files/2010%20%20retailjan%201%202010.pdf

SYSTEM THREE (their non blushing Silver Tip Epoxy (1.5 gal unit - approx. $175) http://www.systemthree.com/store/pc/SilverTip-Laminating-Resin-c10.htm

WEST (their non blushing epoxy/207 cure (1.31 gal unit - approx. $169.16) http://www.westsystem.com/ss/price-list/

PROGRESSIVE EPOXY POLYMERS (epoxyproducts.com & epoxyusa.com - that's us!) Basic No Blush Epoxy (1.5 gal unit - approx. half the price of our competitors) http://www.epoxyproducts.com/1_marineresins.html ... BUY NOW at our second alternative (simple!) web site: www.epoxyusa.com ... We also have the web's largest floor epoxy site and leading pour-on bartop epoxy.


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RAKA (a low price epoxy seller - resin and 305 non blushing resin (1.5 gal - 6 quart kit - approx. $105) http://www.raka.com/epoxy_kits.html

How to compare marine epoxies


Thanks for taking the time to educate yourself about epoxy formulations. CLICK HERE to goto/return to our marine catalog main page, CLICK HERE to go directly to our marine resins page, or use the links below to visit our competitors' web sites: MAS -- WEST -- SYSTEM THREE -- RAKA


1/21/05 - How good is our No Blush™ Epoxy? I just saw a new ad in one of the boat building magazines by one of our competitors, a giant in the epoxy business. In the ad they compare themselves to "no blush" epoxies (they even include the quotation marks). The standard term is non-blushing, not "no blush," so we are pretty certain they are referring to our epoxies. Imagine that. We, the little mouse has the giant moose on the run! - No names here, we don't want to hear from their lawyers (but we'll let you know if we do hear from them). What they don't mention in their ad are their prices, exotherm, and brittleness.



SUMMARY basic vs. premium No Blush™ Epoxy


BASIC NO BLUSH™ - our most popular all purpose marine epoxy - great value and price!

non blushing

easy mix ratio

blendable hardeners

nice medium viscosity

no VOCs (solvent free)

no formaldehyde in the formulation

formulated product - not simply repackaged raw resins from the big chemical companies

best prices!




PREMIUM NO BLUSH™ -
non-hazmat for quick AIR shipping and shipping outside the USA - cycloaliphatic curing system


non blushing

easy mix ratio

cycloaliphatic curing system

blendable hardeners

nice medium viscosity

no VOCs (solvent free)

no formaldehyde in the formulation

no nonyl in the formulation

formulated product - not simply repackaged raw resins from the big chemical companies

non hazmat to ship!


Goto the Marine Resin Page in our Marine Catalog -
CLICK HERE

Boat Related Questions?

Visit our HELP page first, then EMAIL US or post your questions on the WOODENBOAT Forum. This forum is the largest, most active boat forum on the Internet. You will get lots of useful replies.

We are the only professional epoxy people/vendor that regularly monitors the forum and replies to epoxy resin questions through the forum's private non-posted email system. Why don't the other marine epoxy vendors watch with this forum on their free time? We have no idea why they don't.

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QUICK ACCESS BLOCK

Go to our marine epoxy catalog page (includes testimonials) - MARINE EPOXY RESIN.

Order Basic No Blush (tm) epoxy (3 quart or 1.5 gal) at our second, simple web site - WWW.EPOXYUSA.COM.

Order 12 oz. sampler, 3 quart, 1.5 gal of Basic No Blush from our massive online 3rd party storefront - EPOXY STORE.

Best prices (distributor prices) for our FORMULATED Basic No Blush Marine Epoxy resin - PRICING.

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MARINE HOMEPAGE - subsection of our overal homepage - THIS PAGE/YOU ARE HERE! - MARINE HOMEPAGE.

MASSIVE epoxy index site - EPOXY INDEX/MAP.

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