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Copper powder can be added to epoxies (including our ESP 155™ epoxy sealer), our traditional India Spar Varnish™, our clear water-based Water Prime™ epoxy, and our water-based acrylic sealer Bio Vee Gloss™ as a decorative pigment. Copper powder can be found in our Marine Catalog as well as in our Industrial/home Catalog.

 

Boat owners usually add it to our Low V (tm) low viscosity, solvent free, clear epoxy.

 

 

 

Important application (epoxy application) notes:

 

Applying epoxy to a hull is not like 'regular paint." Once rolled on, it can take 15 - 60 minutes ( or longer) to 'gel' and set up on the hull surface. This gives plenty of time for drips and sags to form, especially in warn weather (warm weather means much shorter work times and ever lower viscosity - probably don't try on surfaces over 90 degrees). You will probably need to keep an eye on the applied epoxy - roller out any drips and sags as they form for the first hour or so. Rolling on thin coats helps.

You might consider purchasing 3 quarts of the Fumed Silica epoxy thickener per 1.5 gal unit of Low V epoxy. This will give the epoxy a bit more "body" - but certainly not enough to make it into 'putty."

 Note that fumed silica is a very common epoxy thickener. It takes about 2 parts silica filler (or any filler thickener)  to 1 part epoxy to make about 1 part of paste-like thickened epoxy. But even before it starts to thicken the epoxy it is provided some 'internal body' to the epoxy reducing sagging and runs.



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with a "Two Years Later" follow-up at:

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AFTER YOU APPLY THE COPPER EPOXY TO YOUR HULL YOU MUST SAND THE HULL TO EXPOSE THE COPPER FROM THE EPOXY COVERING IT. YOU GENERALLY SAND THE HULL FROM TIME TO TIME TO EXPOSE FRESH COPPER


 

Copper powder is now considered a marine pollutant or an environmentally hazardous substance that can pose a risk to aquatic ecosystems.

 

For shipping it is classified as a UN 3077 - Class 9 Environmentally Hazardous Substance. Solid N.O.S. (NOS = not otherwise specified). Shipping requires special labeling and training/permits for the shipper.

 

Progressive Epoxy Polymers, Inc (that’s us!) could no longer ship copper powder legally and we stopped selling it. Note that we suspect many sellers of copper powder found on-line should not legally be shipping it (being ignorant of the laws/regulations, or just figuring they will not get caught). You don’t want to be a ‘party’ involved in the illegal transport of ‘Environmentally Hazardous Substances'.

 

We have now found a metallic powders company willing to legally drop ship 5 or 10 pound units of the ‘correct’ copper powder to our customers. Note that shipping rules change when shipments exceed 11 pounds, hence each box shipped will only contain 5 or 10 pounds of the copper powder.

 

The correct copper powder for addition into epoxy and other coatings for marine and other artistic applications is a 50 micron, leafing copper powder (bulk density of 0.6 g/cc - includes some zinc in the formulation). Leafing pigments exhibit a distinct tendency to float to the surface of the coating and to align parallel to the surface of the coating film for maximum copper exposure and uniform appearance.

 

5 pounds of this copper is added to a 1.5 gal unit of our Low V epoxy. This is generally enough for about a 27 ft boat. Boats in the 30 - 40 ft range generally require 10 or 15 pounds of copper and epoxy units. Boats in the 40 ft range generally require 20 pounds of copper and epoxy units.

The epoxy: The thinner the epoxy the better. The leafing copper flake we use acts like a thickener. A key issue becomes adding the copper but not getting the mixture so thick that it leaves brush or roller marks, or even becomes a paste. Obviously, the thinner the epoxy is to start with, the more copper you can add before it becomes too thick. The thicker epoxies also lack the uniform ‘new copper penny' look. With the thicker epoxies, the copper color is more like light and dark copper dots. Something around 5 pounds of our copper to 1.5 gal of our Low V epoxy seems to be about right.

(Low V epoxy in our marine catalog) (Low V epoxy in our industrial catalog)


AFTER YOU APPLY THE COPPER EPOXY TO YOUR HULL YOU MUST SAND THE HULL TO EXPOSE THE COPPER FROM THE EPOXY COVERING IT. YOU GENERALLY SAND THE HULL FROM TIME TO TIME TO EXPOSE FRESH COPPER


Low V mixed with copper can actually be applied underwater to small areas (probably not practical for entire hull)


 

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Use of our copper powder mixed with our Low V epoxy (as well as our CM 15 epoxy barrier coat epoxy under the copper- epoxy layer) is covered in the YouTube video series called "Sailing Uma" at:

 

https://youtu.be/NfoKBL37BuA?t=5m26s

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R.O. emailed Progressive Epoxy Polymers (12/20/09)
Hi,
I have been researching different options for a spring bottom painting and have come across a product advertised in XXXXXXXX Magazine. It is a two part, water born epoxy with spherical copper power for loading the paint prior to application. It is Copper Coat Anti-Fouling Paint, has EPA approval for use as a bottom paint and, according to their website ( www.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.com) has 2 kg of copper powder per liter of paint. This translates to about 16 pounds per gallon. Have you seen this product and how difficult would it be to load one of your paints with this level of copper?
Thanks in advance. -- R.O.


Hi R.O.

Two things up front: we don't sell copper - epoxy bottom paint. We sell lots of different epoxies and we also sell a very fine copper powder (and other metal powders and epoxy thickeners/fillers). So all we can do is sell you the copper powder for you to blend, mix etc. with whatever you want. I just finished adding it to a water based acrylic to paint the roof of a birdhouse.

Secondly, I checked the website you listed (lots more on that later) - their product is not water based, but rather 'ordinary' 2 part epoxy. Not sure where you got the idea it is waterbased. From my experience, 98% of water based epoxies are only for use on floors.

The product/site you list is misleading. It is a simple basic epoxy with copper added (no problem with that) but then the marketing/sales folks got a hold of it. Lots of missing information and misleading statements. The goal isn't informed customers but rather to separate the customer from his money....

You cannot put 16 pounds of copper into a gallon of epoxy (note: copper powder - copper and air - weight about 1 pound per pint) - at about 6 - 8 pounds per gallon you start making copper putty. You cannot make a copper based coating with that much copper and they don't either. Here comes some of the misleading stuff: their sites claims 2 kg per liter of RESIN. Epoxies are 2 part products, resin and curing agent. Rather oddly on their site they don't tell you the ratio of resin to curing agent but a picture suggests it might be 1 to 1 - thus thinning the resin by half ( or worse).

Their MSDS is dated 2002 (considered out of date and invalid if over 5 years old) shows that the chemicals in the resin account for 54%-65% of the resin weight - so the other 35%-45% is the copper. That is about 3-4 pounds of copper per gallon of resin (not the blend of resin and curing agent you actually work with).

Normally a gallon of mixed epoxy has a coverage rate of about 100-200 sf per gallon. The less coverage the thicker the coating, but drips and sags become a real issue - often better to apply 2 thin coats. Anyway, I calculated their coverage rate and found it to be about 80 sf per gallon. So, it is a pretty thick product - we don't know how thick or thin the epoxy was to start with before the copper was added, but still at 80 sf per gallon, it suggests enough copper was added to make it quite thick.

They also do not mention price, so I have no idea what they want for the product but giving general retail pricing, they probably have a gallon of epoxy at about $70-$90 per gallon and perhaps $40 worth of copper. So, about $110 per gallon would be an expected price that still leaves the vendor making lots of profit.

So, bottom line --- I'm sure it is a functional mix of copper and epoxy worked out by someone who knows what is going on. However, their web site is not being very honest and open with you. It is your call if you want to do try their product.

paul oman


I bought this copper powder from you in 2003 while in New Zealand and put it on my 45' Trimaran with W@@t Epoxy. Will be in NZ this October and plan to do it again as it has worked quit well. Also put it on my AB dingy bottom. -- J 2013

more from J.:

Paul,
 
Sorry but I don't have any pictures. My computer HD crashed shortly after I did the bottom and lost a lot of photos.

 

I used W@@t epoxy with the 206 hardener. I rolled it on with foam rollers and tipped it off with foam brushes. It was far from a mirror finish, but smooth enough not to cause any extra drag. The main reason I used this system  was that I planned on ending up in Kwajalein (a military base in the Marshall Islands) where I would be working for a while (two years turned into 7 years). I knew I would probably not be able to haul the boat out again for a long time. I also put a couple coats of cheap bottom paint on the boat over the copper epoxy just to extend the time before I had to start scraping it.


The bottom paint was gone after a year. After that, I would have to scrape off the soft growth about every 2 to 4 weeks. Once in the warm waters it wasn't a big deal for me. My wife and I love the water and it was good exercise. We would get some hard growth but not unless we didn't clean it for months, which happened a lot over the 7 years since we didn't get to use the boat much. It came off easily though and it really wasn't very much. We used stainless steel drywall scrapers to clean it. They worked really well. After 9 years of scraping, the only area that is almost devoid of copper epoxy is near the waterline. This is because, obviously, it got the most aggressive scraping.

 

We quit our jobs last Sept and have been sailing around the Marshalls. We are in Fl right now visiting relatives and will be heading back to the boat in a few weeks. We will then continue on south, hopefully ending up in New Zealand by October. Once there we will haul the boat (that will be almost 10 years between haulouts-just think of the money we saved on that) and do the bottom again with the copper epoxy.

 

This time I plan to use the West layup resin (a thinner resin) and put on two thinner coats instead of one heavy one just because it's easier to do and you have a longer working time with the layup resin. I will probably also put 4 coats around the waterline, and then top it off with some cheap bottom paint. Again, the reason for the bottom paint is to get us to warmer waters before we have to start cleaning it. I don't know that this is for everyone, but we are very happy with it. With the money we save on haulouts, it's practically free. I should probably mention too, that we are a 45' Trimaran. Hence, there are very few places out in this neck of the world that we can haul. Another reason this works so good for us. In fact, I like it so much I even put it on the fiberglass hull of our AB dingy.

 

Another great advantage of this is that if you get a ding in it, you can touch it up underwater.  I patched a spot underwater about 5 years ago and it is still in great shape.

 

So I hope this helps some. If you have any additional questions I'll be happy to reply. This time I'll back up my photos sooner and send you some.
 
Take care, J


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Section One TWO PART MARINE EPOXIES- CLEAR EPOXIES

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Section A EPOXY PAINTS

corro coat FC 2100; NSP 120; water gard 300; coal tar ; CM 15; crack coat™

Section Two FILLERS THICKENERS ADDITIVES

fumed silica; microsphere/balloons; poly fibers; copper; graphite; Teflon (tm); wood flour; EZ thick; rock flour

 

Section B FLOOR EPOXIES (regular and non-skid products), SEALERS, ACCESSORIES

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wet/dry 700; splash zone; quick fix 2300, QR 2400 rubber epoxy

Section C THICKENED EPOXIES - EPOXY PUTTIES, ETC.

wet/dry 700; splash zone A-788, quick fix 2300; QR 2400 (tm) rubber epoxy

Section Four TWO PART EPOXY PAINTS (barrier coats)

corro coat FC 2100; water gard 300; CM 15; EZ Spray; epoxy primer; crack coat™

Section D CLEAR TWO PART EPOXIES

low V epoxy; basic no blush; ESP 155; Bio-Clear 810

Section Five URETHANES AND NON-EPOXY COATINGS Aluthane (aluminum coating); LPU Marine

Section E NON-EPOXY PAINTS SEALERS

Aluthane moisture cured urethane; Acrylic Poly UV Plus and other 2 part polys ; Capt. Tolley's creeping crack sealer

Section Six NON-SKID DECK COATINGS

walnut shell; ground white rubber

 

Section F MIX-IN ADDITIVES

fumed silica; fiber fill; micro balloons/micro-spheres; graphite; Teflon (tm); copper powder; wood flour; EZ thick, rock flour

Section Seven MARINE REPAIR PRODUCTS

pipe wrap; fiberglass tape (cloth); Capt. Tolley's Creeping Crack Cure

 
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